Plenty Of Blame To Go A – Round Table for February
There have been far worse times to be a Blackhawks fan, that goes without saying. But for many of us this last string of losses has conjured up images of Dirk Graham behind the bench, Mike Smith making trades that only a mental patient would approve of, and Steve Passmore flopping around in the crease like a carp that got dropped on the dock. Is this how it begins? Will a six-game skid turn the season into a wash? Are we headed for another five decades of doom and despair? What can snap the Blackhawks out of the funk that they’re in? The boys got together to discuss the current situation, what might be wrong, and what could be done about it in this month’s Round Table…
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The Blackhawks are mired in a 6 game losing streak. Do you put more blame on the players or the coaching staff? Stan Bowman?
Jeff Bartl, Founder and Lead Writer: I’d have place blame on both the players and coaches, meaning Stan has to – will? – make a move to ensure the ‘Hawks compete this season without mortgaging the future. Though we’ve all disagreed with the lineups Head Coach Joel Quenneville has rolled out, there’s still enough talent on the ice no matter what that the ‘Hawks should not be getting outscored 27-12 over a six-game span. With that said, a message from Q saying, “We need a win,” doesn’t cut it. Whether they’re not being pushed enough or simply not responding, both the players and coaches need to step up to right this ship.
Chris Deme, Contributing Writer: Right now, the blame is still on the players. They are playing lazy hockey, particularly on the blue line. I will say that the coaching staff really needs to pick it up on the penalty lines. The power play looks terrible and inept as of late. I won’t place blame on Stan Bowman yet. I think it’s too early to do that. Wait and see what he does by the trade deadline.
Jim Nakis, Contributing Writer: You can place blame everywhere. Stan gave Q an imperfect roster. Q has used that roster improperly (dogging Marcus Kruger, Michael Frolik and Bryan Bickell) and the Blackhawks ‘core’ hasn’t played well enough lately to make up for the rest of the rosters flaws.
Tim Currell, Contributing Writer: They win games when the players execute the coaches’ plans effectively. If the Blackhawks are losing, it means the players aren’t executing. It’s a player problem.
JesusMarianHossa, Contributing Writer: Coaching staff, and more importantly, the players. Stan Bowman built a team that came out of the gates strong and was at one point #1 in the NHL. The parts are all here. They’re just not performing at an optimal level right now. Yes, I have issues with the way the powerplay is being run. I also have concerns about the amount of juggling going on among the lines. Not calling for the ‘stache to get shaved here, but I’d like him to start making changes in strategy, not personnel. The only blame I lay at Stan Bowman’s feet is not picking of a defenceman for our PK. It’s not that pressing yet, so I don’t really have issue with it. Pulling the trigger now could cost him more in compensation with a trading partner and all it would do is placate the fans. GMs work for the owner, not the fans.
One of the most disappointing aspects of this year’s Blackhawks are their special teams. Is this a personnel problem or are the Hawks in need of new strategies?
Jeff: The forward on the point of the power play needs to fucking end. It’s amazing how Q can jumble his lines so much, yet he sticks to the same failed strategy when it comes to the power play. It doesn’t matter who he sends out there, the damn thing doesn’t work. That screams ‘strategic problem’ right there. If you look at some of the top PP teams in the league – Vancouver, Edmonton, Nashville – they mix patience with aggressiveness. Too many times we see the Blackhawks dilly-dally with the puck hoping a lane will open up while four players stand around. Then a desperation shot is taken, it gets blocked, the puck goes out of the zone and the PP is over. There needs to be more behind-the-net play with the man advantage, rather than five guys floating around waiting for something to happen. The opposing kills are having it too easy right now.
Tim: I honestly think this is strategy. Look at the power play from 2009-10. Half of them lasted 30 seconds or less because the ‘Hawks were racking up the PPG like they were playing in an Over-40 league. Cycle in the near corner, open a seam, pass to Patrick Sharp on the far post — BOOM. Where is that this year? Not in our arsenal, and the plays Mike Kitchen is trying have all failed miserably. I know he and Q go way back, but he’s not getting the job done. Time for a change.
JMH: Like I said in question one, it’s very much strategy. I find it hard to believe that a team with this much top 6 talent could be this deficient on the power play. I’ve got the same amount of NHL wins from the bench as anyone else participating here but I think the forward on the point and the back-door play are done being effective. Duncan Keith has no lanes from the point, Patrick Kane has no lanes to pass through and we’re struggling to even get zone entry with one of our forwards on the point.
Chris: It’s a personnel problem. There needs to be a power play quarterback added to the mix before the deadline.
Jim: They need a new strategy on the PP . Echoing Jeff and JMH, ENOUGH WITH THE FORWARDS at the points. How about trying something, anything that doesn’t happen on the perimeter? Special teams are the areas where I think you can point fingers at the coaching staff. You have some of the most skilled players in the entire world out there – it shouldn’t be this hard to at the very least create chances consistently. As for the kill, I tend to think it has more to do with personnel, especially on the defensive side. They don’t block as many shots when they are a man down and players like Jonathan Toews and Marian Hossa are starting to look worn down. I’d like to see Kruger, Jamal Mayers and Frolik get a little more prime kill time.
As recently as a few weeks ago, it was presumed that Stan Bowman was looking to acquire only a defenseman at the deadline. Does his strategy change at all in light of the recent losing streak?
JMH: I sure as hell hope not. Stay strong, Stanley. Don’t let Brian Burke or Pierre Gauthier push you around. Your dad can beat up their dad.
Jeff: I really don’t see how. Bowman won’t make a move for a goaltender given the options of what’s available and the price of what it would take to pry a top-notch guy away from someone else. The ‘Hawks, despite their recent offensive struggles, are still one of the top scoring teams in the league. Meanwhile, the defense has looked lost lately. The only feasible moves to be made are on the blue line, or so it seems.
Chris: Absolutely not. The defense has looked absolutely terrible during the losing streak. Bowman needs to add new energy to reduce minutes and take some pressure off the current top 4 defensemen.
Jim: They obviously still need another defenseman. But I think Stan should add another depth forward to his wish list as well to get that 3rd line rolling again. They score more goals than just about anyone in the league, but it seems it all comes from the top two lines. Dave Bolland’s line has to get moving again.
Tim: Will it? Probably not. Should it? Well, it depends. If this skid continues, nothing short of a miracle will get this team into the playoffs. So why waste picks or prospects to acquire a rental that won’t save our bacon anyway? If Stan is convinced he is one or two pieces away from putting together a perfect puzzle, then we’ll get what we need. Otherwise, we’re going to be sellers at the deadline.
In the early stages of the season, many claimed the Blackhawks had a ‘good problem’ in net. It now appears the Blackhawks have two subpar goaltenders. What does Q do if Ray Emery falters over the next few games?
Chris: The goalies have been sub-par as of late. It’s troubling. I am not 100% confident that these two guys can take us deep in the playoffs. I will say that Corey Crawford wasn’t terrible last year when his defense was better. I’d like to see how new defensive additions help out the goalies before I start pointing fingers in their direction.
Jim: If Emery falters the Hawks have no choice but to turn back to Crawford and this see-saw thing they have going on will continue. Whoever sucks less come playoff time will be in net. Today we heard some rumblings that Bowman may be looking for another goalie, so obviously that calculus changes should that happen.
Tim: Write the season off and platoon them until April. If your goaltenders are letting in one goal for every 8 or 9 shots, and your defense is as ineffective as ours has been of late, you’re going to have to try to win games 4-3 or 5-4. Move to a stretch-pass breakout plan and try to generate odd-man rushes.
JMH: This is where I’ve got no solution. I know some of us are calling for a goaltender to be acquired but that doesn’t make sense to me. Emery and Crawford, while struggling recently, are still capable. This team was built from the blue line back, not the blue paint out. While the goalies are in a bit of a rut, the guys in front aren’t helping any. Keep riding Razor for now. Crow has hit a wall. There won’t be an outside solution.
Jeff: Pray? In all honesty, it’s going to come down to who grabs their sack down the stretch and is playing the best of the two – even if ‘the best’ isn’t all that great. Again, trading for a goaltender won’t happen. So when the playoffs roll around – and let’s not forget the ‘Hawks still have the fifth-most points in the conference, they’re going to make the postseason IMO – Q needs to hope one of them at the very least is being strong mentally and not taking the recent struggles to heart. It’s too deep into the season to start calling people up – who would you call up anyway at this point? – and a trade is highly unlikely. Q doesn’t have much of a choice but to stick with the lesser of two evils.
Patrick Kane played his best game in at least a month and a half against Colorado. Was Tuesday night the start of Kane’s reemergence?
Chris: Hopefully it’s a reemergence. Hopefully it’s contagious. Only time will tell. It was really comforting to see his level of energy. The Hawks have needed it all season. Now would be a good time to get it going and end the losing streak.
Tim: Doubtful. Q changing who he plays with multiple times a game is not the way he performs best. He needs to get in a groove with one pivot, and we all know that’s not going to happen. I wouldn’t get too optimistic about a rebound from Kaner the rest of the season.
JMH: I hear the road-beef in Denver is pretty stellar. I’ll give credit to the blonde haired, blue eyed ladies I’ve heard about in the area for raising Kaner’s game. That, and they’ve got solid craft breweries there. But seriously… hopefully it is the start of a good run for 88. It’s not for lack of effort, that’s for sure. It’s between his ears. Last night he was firing on the net. More of that, Humpty Hump. The points will come.
Jeff: There’s really no good way to answer this question without making some sort of a prediction, so I’m going to just say that I hope so. Forgetting the goal that helped get him out of his scoring slump for now, Kane played pretty damn well overall. His passes were crisp, he was aggressive, and that backhand was a thing of beauty. He also played a solid game against Edmonton, too. If anything, that might be the game that could be the “start of his re-emergence.” Bottom line, that re-emergence better be full-blown damn soon.
Jim: That’s very hard to say. All I know is that he looked damn good yesterday night and I sure hope it continues. I know I’ll be stopping by Holy Name this week to light a candle for him.
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Being an idiot doesn't make him a bad hockey player skill wise. Dan Carcillo played good hockey while he was in Chicago, and for cheap. Sure, he was a jackass, that's apparent. And I'm not expecting anything. I've suggested Hal Gill previously on Committed Indians. Along with Beaucheamin and Suter. I thought I made it clear in my initial comment that a D man necessary, while a top 6 forward would be a nice addition. Admittedly, any team would like a top 6 forward. We're speaking hypothetically here, as there's probably no one with less influence to Q and Bowman. Aside from a Vancouver resident.
It makes Dan Carcillo a liability. He doesn't belong on an NHL roster. At least a contender. 0% chance the Hawks trade for Suter. Beauchemin just signed an extension as well.
Doan maybe unavailable, but is a UFA after this year. Stastny is closer to unavailable, with his contract ending in 2014, however, the Avs are going to have to salary dump somehow. Stastny is older, and they have some electric young forwards. In my opinion, Stastny is the closest to the chopping block as far as the Avs go. So I'd say the suggestions are plausible, but maybe not probable. However, with the right bidding, I think Bowman could make it happen. Now if we go even farther into candyland, I'd give my left nut for Rick Nash. Anyways, back to reality. Why would Hayes replace Shaw? Having the two on the roster brought energy, and both play hard. Hayes to replace Bickell is more along the lines of my idea. I liked Kane at center. His faceoffs did take a turn for the worse, but that's something that can be practiced. The Carcillo-Kane-Hossa line was great. Why not try it again with Hayes or Shaw on the left? The energetic, physical player creates space for the skill player to hit the scorer. And Blackhawk Up, when I said gamble, I meant moving for a 2nd pair D man. Any movement of players in and out of the organization can produce unexpected results, thus the allusion to gambling. I'm not saying we should ship out the entire team, just move some deadweight for a D man and even a PWF. On top of that, I don't think the Hawks are ready for another personnel change between the pipes. It would've helped to replace Campbell before the season started. Management could have seen how Crawford played with a better defense in front of him, and then evaluated whether or not we change tendys. Now we're stuck in this purgatory of chasing either a D man, or a goalie. Both, and we give up the prospect of obtaining an additional forward, if getting a goalie and D man is possible in the first place.
Rick Nash is making $9M a year from now until the end of time. The Blackhawks need another $5M+ a year forward like I need VD. Everyone's favorite munchkin Andrew Shaw is a turnover machine in his own end, constantly out of defensive position (ask Dave Bolland who has been covering for him for 2 weeks) and woefully undersized for the role he attempts to play in the NHL. Nice 2 week run and I appreciate his contributions but he is not worthy of top 6 ice time and Quenneville needs to remove him from the first powerplay unit, like, yesterday. Please don't mention anything with Dan Carcillo being great. That, I will take issue with. Another 4th line quality player that brings energy and before too long ends up making mental errors and spending time in the box. Not to mention the reckless play that endangers others. What he did to Tom Gilbert was deplorable. Just another in a long line of poor choices by a mediocre hockey player. If you move deadweight, you're going to get deadweight in return. There's only so many Bryan Murrays and Jay Feasters in this league. Few answers will be located for this team externally. Most of them will be depth moves. The 2nd pairing defenceman will be difficult to locate and Stan is better off finding a fit for a team weakness like the PK. I wrote about Hal Gill last week and I think it's probably the best option to address a team need. If you're looking for this team to make an impact trade (meaning, a splash) at the deadline, you're going to be disappointed.
Several sources around the league have cited the Hawks might be interested in Nabokov. Its not a terrible idea considering their situation. I guess its hard to relay sarcasm over the computer...
Ok first off, people have to stop with this "trade this guy, this guy and that guy and bring up Olsen, Morin, Pirri, Smith" etc. etc. They have to realize that rushing kids to the NHL is not the answer and not the way a good organization should handle their prospects. Take a page out of the Red Wing's book: let them play nearly their entire junior/NCAA career, give them 2-3 years in the minors and then by the time you bring them to the NHL, they're NHL ready. You're not gambling. The only player I would say is prepared to take an NHL role is Jimmy Hayes, largely because he's older, more developed and he has the assets the Hawks need. Players, coaching staff and management should take the blame, although I place the majority of blame on the latter two. Combination of bad personnel assembled by management and continued misuse of personnel by coaches. Special teams failure on PP due to strategy. Personnel way too good for it to be based on that. PK failure due to a combination of insufficient personnel, goaltending and most of all poor tactics. Remember how good the PK was under John Torchetti in 2009-10? I've been saying for a while, Hawks need a #3 d-man and one or two bottom six-type forwards who can be reliable on defense and chip in some offense. Guys like Dominic Moore, Paul Gaustad, Chad Larose, Samuel Pahlsson etc. The top end of the roster is fine, the supporting cast is sorely lacking. Bowman needs to improve it with reliable players. Unless the Hawks make a bid for Nabokov, they simply have to continue to go with whichever goaltender is playing better. Trade that asshole Patrick Kane. No one wants him.
The only argument I'd brook with your post is shifting blame from the players to the coaches and management. I'm not looking to absolve Q or Bowman, but is it their fault that the Blackhawks core players have been godawful lately? From what I've seen, the biggest issue is effort, because there just isn't any lately. I don't know if Q has lost the team - in fact, I don't think he has - but he needs to change strategies somewhat, sit some players down if they're dogging it and prove a damn point to them. Other than that, I agree with pretty much everything you posted. The offensive talent is there, so making some blockbuster/superstar trade is unnecessary and will probably be more costly in the long term, especially with labor and salary cap uncertainty looming (which could be another reason why Bowman is being careful about what kind of contract he takes on since the Hawks just managed to escape salary cap hell) but the Hawks need some bottom six forwards who are willing to do the grunt work, block shots, be responsible defensively, and if there's offensive production that comes out of it, so be it. I'm with you on the #3 D too, preferably someone who's more in the Seabrook mold than the Keith/Leddy mold. Nabukov reeks of desperation, he has a mediocre playoff track record, but if the Hawks could get him on the cheap I guess he might be an upgrade over the current choices in goal. I haven't lost faith in Crawford entirely yet, but any time he or Emery wants to step their game up is just fine by me.
As I said, I do blame the players to a degree, but how is it their fault that they're playing with insufficient personnel and trying to execute a flawed strategy designed by the coaching staff? No matter how talented of a player you are, you can't beat an entire team. You simply can't rely on six guys to win you games every night. What we're seeing isn't a lack of effort from the core players, but a lack of confidence, and my guess is that is largely due from having severe pressure placed on them by having carry the team on a nightly basis. The talent gap between the upper and lower tiers of the roster is enormous. You essentially have two really good lines and one great defensive pair and two bottom lines and defensive pairings that simply cannot be relied upon for anything. That's the fault of the management, not the players. You're right, at some point these guys have to take some responsbility. Afterall, they are professional athletes. But when you're driving a car with flat tires, to what extent can you blame the driver if he's all over the place? That's my point.
They had something good going on there with Kaner at center. I say revert to that, package up a 2 roster spots, a prospect, and a pick, and get a damn D man. Like previously stated, Crawf played better with a better defense, and it couldn't get much worse at this point, so why not take the gamble. And if not a d man, let's add another high octane forward. A powerforward could do nothing but help that first line. Sure, Stalb has been showing up, but why not look at Doan or Stastny. Yes, they're contracts are big. But Doan's is about 1 mil more than Hjalm's, and add Fro to the mix, that clears up just under 6, and all of a sudden, we can afford Stastny. I say ditch the D, and build it up from within the system. The only way our prospects will develop and NHL style of play is, well, playing in the NHL. Package up Hjalm and Fro, maybe a pick or Bickell, move for Doan, bring up Olsen, Hayes, and Morin. The Hawks style of play is outscore opponents, why not play to that strength? Feel free to shit on me below.
Stasny and Doan aren't available. Hjalmarsson is highly unlikely to be traded. Kane was quite subpar in the faceoff dot and generally does his best work with a good pivot. I think that ship has sailed and I'm rather glad it has. Bringing up Olsen, Hayes and Morin makes a younger inexperienced team, well, younger and more inexperienced. We're already dealing with Leddy learning on the job, Olsen doesn't need to be rushed as well. Morin has taken a step back after his injury. Hayes can replace Shaw and I'd be fine with that. The Hawks style of play is to maintain possession of the puck and use their speed to the outside. I'm not opposed to adding a top 6 forward but I don't believe any of your suggestions to be plausible. This isn't "shitting" on you, just replying to your comment with some points and suggestions.




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